6sn7 grid stopper. Coupling capacitors 10n are to small , take 47n.

6sn7 grid stopper The tube set is listed as PSVANE 300B+Russia 5U4G+Russia 6SN7, however the symbol for the second tube is not a 6SN7. If you insist on a B+ of 150 volts, a 30k plate resistor will give decent results and the complete circuit will draw a total of about 5. this also should have a fixed resistor between the end of the variable resistor and ground to limit the adjustment range. I have a 100R screen stopper resistor in place already per Tubelab's suggestion. S Simply Audio Member Joined 2018 2021-08-07 12:00 pm #9 2021-08-07 12:00 pm I want to build a CCS as a plate load for a 6SN7 so that I can get a 250 v pp swing with low distortion. I do plan to · I'll be building preamp for my tube amplifiers very soon. It looks like 5 or 6 ma would be about right for my application. You may think you have grid stoppers already but they have to be attached right at the grid tag and A Does the 6SN7 need grid stopper resistors ? Not used this particular valve before so not sure. The thought that the amp was actually designed for 6sn7 is new to me, however it makes sense! Still it came with 6sl7 and advertised as using 6n9p / 6sl7 for the driver. 6SN7 Mu follower or cathode follower? diyAudio Community diyAudio Store Gallery Archive Articles Theme - Light YYYY-MM-DD / 12-hour clock In the work that 6A3 describes, they were running the triodes in the 6SN7 at about 8mA (each). Tester is a Solid State Sencore Grid stoppers: (or "swampers"))You don't really want an amp oscillating at 30K Hz- you won't hear it, but your amp will be sweating bullets. I note that you don't have grid-stoppers on your output valves. 1 * from datasheet tracer * * 6SN7WGTk8 LTSpice model. The 6SN7 Class A grid bias is ( - ) 8 Volts and the 12AT7 Class A grid bias is ( - ) 2 Volts at 250 Volts Interelectrode capacitances are 1. I will play around with a grid stopper Functionally what the grid stopper does is form a low pass filter. Steve Eddy Member Joined 2002 theaudioguild. - Gary My website. At this point, I only trust carbon comps as grid stoppers. So you don't need both the 3k3 and a 1k. 148. They are cathode biased running ABx at 12watts idle each. com 2004-06-04 6:52 pm #3 #3 I'd install a 6CG7/6FQ7/6SN7 (I'd suggest a 12AU7 for this, but 12AU7s aren't any cheaper, and sometimes even more than the more linear types) cathode follower grid drivers. Unfortunately I don't have the skill to calculate currents for an SRPP, but according to mh-audio. I’m wondering about the grid stoppers and if they are adequate at 1. This will The grid-stoppers are the mixing resistors, and can be chosen in the normal way (see the section on grid-stoppers). 320 Ohm low enough for most Here's my first-order understanding of the solution: The mu of a 6SN7 is 20, so that's the maximum gain possible. The CSS is mounted about 8 cm away from the tube. Such horribly neat work as always, NateThe outputs are wired properly, but Grid stopper! None on the inputs, and now that you mention it I think I need to add them if I am not using the potentiometer for volume control! Either should work well with 6SN7 -> 6SN7 -> PPP KT88 That GEC circuit multi posted is interesting, but uses more tubes, doesn't it And don't forget G1 grid stops for the output valves - very important. A 1/2W will be more Our latest book! A deep dive into the electronic design of the ultimate rig-of-death! Who has build a grounded grid linestage with 6SN7 there? Can you share the circuit? Thanks! E Eli Duttman Member Joined 2004 2013-04-06 6:33 am #2 2013-04-06 6:33 am #2 You can use the same parts values Rozenblit uses with 12AU7s with 6SN7s Status As I try to avoid grid stoppers - and I don't think the 2k which S. (Philip) Top andrew Ivimey 8285 The electrolytic which i use with great success in my personal 6SN7 -829B amplifier has to be big in order to drive the Tone stack i Try adding grid stoppers. 1 kohm and grid res. But the 6SN7 is pretty beefy. I will replace R6 with positive bias (since my DHT ouput tubes will be 0v bias or positive bias tubes) app. 4 KB · Views: 356 Last edited: 2020-10-20 9:59 am 6 6A3sUMMER Member Joined 2016 2020-10-20 10:02 am #99 2020-10-20 10 5687 Preamp Schematic to know the gain amd the output impedance of 6SN7 preamp, attached schematic. 2 Based on the transconductance, if Only $12. Before you worry, this does not cause loss of high end. 16. 4 mA from The total input capacitance is therefore less than 10pF and can be completely ignored. Also I would tend to have a grid stopper resistor of say at least a 100 ohms in series with the grid. It will need a big grid stopper R though It has a reputation for high-frequency oscillation, though, so grid stopper resistors are a must. (Philip) Top andrew Ivimey 8270 Ive been trying to fix mufollower with 6sn7 always some sort of hum and little hf noise. 5v Looking at your layout, it's wired as per your diagram (can't check the CCSs of course), so you just might have RF oscillation. It must include the value of any grid stopper resistor, the potentiometer that is used to set the bias It has a reputation for high-frequency oscillation, though, so grid stopper resistors are a must. We also require a grid-leak resistor and this could go either before or after the grid-stopper. . On a 6SJ7 that appears to be pin 4. Coupling capacitors 10n are to small , take 47n. But one end of all grid stoppers must be directly connected to the tab on the tube socket, and the other end goes to the other parts, like the volume control wiper, and Thanks. Happy Listening (report back the Working on these twin Wurlitzer 6l6 amps and I’d like to swap out the 6sn7 for a 6sl7 phase splitter. Bench uses in his original circuit would change anything because of the low value - would an anode bypass cap parallel to the 60k anode resistor of the second 6SN7 triode help to shape the high How they sound will also depend on how much voltage drives the grid, how much voltage is required to drive the next stage's grid, etc. He want it to look more convention preamp. I've ordered all of the parts and have received most of them already. There doesn't It's a Mullard-style circuit, with a single 6SN7 direct-coupled to a long-tail 6SN7 phase splitter. replace R4 with negative bias (I'll run the 307A at -30v grid bias as per datasheet to work in class A) 3. Analog Metric - DIY Audio Kit Developer and he bought the 6SN7 SRPP kit with power transformers. Or, use a hybrid stage or a multi-tube stage with feedback, like a White follower. Replacing tubes is a lot easier. The voltage across the resistor is 250vDC plus 50vAC - The grid stopper used on the input valve is mainly there to kill or 'stop' any radio-frequency interference picked up by the guitar and cable. Obviously I don't want to add a cap in the I'm struggling with the 6SJ7's in my 300b amp, I'm much more comfortable with triodes. I am almost finished with the chassis and then it will sent out to be anodized. I modified the original schematic by adding a 100 ohm bias pot, balance pot, grid stoppers and a few other tweaks. After many boards with all digital schematics (another part of the hobby) with lot's of small pcb traces I wanted to work The grid stopper circuit is basically a low pass RC circuit. 8mS. png 59. I I am breadboarding Thorsten's parallel 6SN7 line stage before committing to a chassis and building it up. Note, please, ONLY penthode mode like above! NO triode mode! I tried and Apparently Stephe said she has heard of several of these amps destroying themselves this way. Weird things happen with circuits that can develop their Grid stoppers deleted /bypassed. Valve bases have been rotated to give the most direct path for coupling caps, and I will also try to put a piece of aluminum between the PT and the input tube wiring. But i've seen response audio using riken carbon film as mod to ASL amps. Having the grid stopper directly on the pin will make it less likely for noise to enter. I am planning to build these as monoblocs – separate power supplies might be a step too far domestically. As-drawn it could be adjusted to give 0 grid volts which you'd never want or need. #1 Low impedance to ground meaning less noise. For grid stopper resistors use carbon composite type Allen-Bradley or similar and Blackgate or Elna SilmicII capacitors in the negative side of bias. This will attenuate radio frequency Grid stoppers for a 6SN7, I think it's not needed. Cal. PTSOUNDLAB Member Joined 2001 ptsoundlab. The only question is, does ther phase splitter/driver have enough headroom to drive the output tubes to full power? Tube stops conducting vs starts to cook itself to death. , posted on January 8, 2017 at 15:52:51 DAK Audiophile Posts: 2712 Location: PACIFIC Joined: August 8, 2010 In my se amps with 6sn7 driver tube, i don't use a grid stopper. A 6C45 will give you about a 30 ohm or less output Z as a follower iirc. (Philip) Top andrew Ivimey 8189 Does the 6SN7 need grid stopper resistors ? Not used this particular valve before so not sure. 232. Many of these I have used over the years and they show healthy emmissions but fail the life test. Lots of room for modifying later on. 1 Watt * 6SN7 sylvanie LTSpice model * Modified Koren model (8 parameters): * Traced by erik 25/12/2013 using Curve Captor v0. - The above is also relevant to R8 going to pin 7 on the second stage 6DJ8. (Philip) Top andrew Ivimey 8276 It's been a while since I played with this amp, but I got it out the other day and thought I would post about it. The circuit has a 1K grid stopper and 390K grid leak resistor to the 1. Regulated DC heater supply, again carefully optimised with absolute minimal noise The volume pot is a bourns 'blue' item with a - 10dB voltage divider (Charcroft Z-foil series resistor and an Audio Note Niobium shunt) - this is a favorite recipe of mine and it sounds energetic/ fast with a slight warmth. Mounted on the tube base terminal. With certain settings (CSS is regulated with potentiometer) the CCS starts oscillating. it's like a person screaming for help at 30 K Hz, no one will hear you, but your heart will be pumping. 7V P-P to the grid, you'll see 2. 001u/110K). Do not forget, if the output transformer is connected out of phase, the negative feedback will actually be positive feedback, and you Will have an oscillator. 55 Posted by Walter on October 23, 2002 at 20:30:31 Hi guys, I measured the cathode resistor on the 6sn7 which is wire in parallel with a 160v/47uf cap, the stock value is 27k 2w, the reading, after 8 I don't like the bright sounding ECC81 tubes and much prefer a 6J5 or a single 6SN7 = one triode each channel , I'm still curious about the type of grid stoppers being used. The bigger the R, or the more C, the lower that frequency is. uk/g8hqp/ 2015-01-13 9:42 am #14 2015-01-13 9:42 am #14 john_tracy said: If you like the sound of This is the total resistance from the control grid (G1) to either earth (chassis, ground) or the negative bias supply. When I power it up, it sounds like it is oscillating. com 2010-09-17 4:43 pm #8 2010-09-17 4:43 pm #8 Note that the right 6SN7 triode's grid is grounded. The grid "What about low gain such as a 6SN7 tube & would a grid stopper alter the sound?" If a grid stop resistor alters the sound (other than stopping RF oscillation) then it's value is too With the 6SN7 output impedance, the 270kΩ grid leak and the 20kΩ grid stopper, this places the high frequency rolloff at 80kHz. Nonetheless, in the typical tube circuit, say a line-stage amplifier based on a 6SN7, the idle current flow through the Proper bias applied to the 6SN7 driver stage: Williamson's original version used a tube that was only similar to the 6SN7, but not a direct copy. 4. , posted on January 7, 2017 at 12:01:51 Tre' Industry Professional Posts: 17438 Location: So. This design by Joseph Norwood Still is a control unit that the author described as offering “lifelike concert-hall performance for a modest cost”. As I understand it, the life test lowers the filament voltage to see if the emissions remain constant. 67 %THD at 1. Did you test that? “Those who do not know history, are One of my audio buddy ask me to help him to built a 6SN7 preamp. 100-220R should be fine. And bias! All good fortune, Chris R ruben alstad #29 #29 I could change tubes if necessary. A grid stopper is added as a matter of course to discourage oscillation. D DF96 R. This is because the cathodyne only has unity gain, so it doesn't have huge Miller This is These resistors, which are commonly called "grid stoppers", are not put on the control grid of the tube for signal level attenuation purposes; rather, they act as a very high frequency low-pass filter in conjunction with the input capacitance of the triode (which is Hi, I use a 10M90S (or 10M45S, similar issue) as CCS from kathode to V- (6SN7 driver stage). - Both of the above are also relevant to the I thought the grid stopper and grid leak resistors might have something to do with the oscillation. The 10 KOhm value for the grid stopper is complete overkill. There was no grid stopper stock on the 6SN7, but the 2C22 tube has the grid as a top cap, so it needs a longer lead to reach the cap, which is probably exacerbating the Grid stopping generally is recommended, especially in power tube and in tubes with high gm. Placing it after would create a potential divider that I have searched specifically for this aolution but have been unable to find a concise answer. 6sn7-300b-single-ended-tube-amp-schematic. And in my system the clear winner for overall clarity, frequency extension, and soundstage realism are the Russian hole-plate MELZ tubes. A higher value of grid stopper softens the level of grid current during signal peaks, introducing a form of peak compression, and a lessening of blocking distortion level. For example, switching from cheap iron to JE Labs 76 > 6SN7 linestage preamp project. does that mean these people are doing it wrong? I asked A 6SN7 isn't a hot-rod tube. I know a few absolute partisans, who will not tolerate the other type of tubes. This is why I use only NOS ABC (ACB I'm now through collecting 6sn7 tubes, as I now have several quads of well-regarded NOS tubes, each of different character. 7 * 20 = 54 V P-P at the plate -BUT this gets divided down- the plate resistance and the plate load R9 and R10 are what is known as "grid stopper" resistors. Decide on how much current you want in the first stage and vary the cathode Grid stoppers are just there to stop rf and other high frequency oscillation getting started and messing up the valve doing its job properly, and 6SN7s, being wonderful valves A higher value of grid stopper softens the level of grid current during signal peaks, introducing a form of peak compression, and a lessening of blocking distortion level. I was looking for a low gain, line stage design and landed on the JE Labs 76/6SN7 design, which is the basis of the pre that I'll be building. I suspect this is a mistake as the tube sockets are two 4-pin, three octal. One thing i would make sure is to calculate the output stage's Miller capacitance and whether or not 2. 100 kohm on first grid. My major concern was hum in the prestage for which once I tried keeping everything out of Does the 6SN7 need grid stopper resistors ? Not used this particular valve before so not sure. Audio Amplifier electronic circuits, schematics or diagrams, page 1. That 3k3 resistor is a grid stopper, I think. tiscali. The voltage across the resistor is 250vDC plus 50vAC - some 50,000 times greater than the grid stopper. I constructed each mono block in two chassis. The amp I am working with is a 26/6sn7/5881 in SE UL using Hashimoto H-20-7U OT's, I am only using a 100ohm g2 gris stopper @ the moment, but what value should I be using for Yes, something like that. nl - Home a 6SN7 is supposed to give me a gain of 17x (25dB) and output impedance of 1100 Well, One day I got to reading about the benefits of grid chokes. SY mentioned linearity. Attachments 6SN7-6V6-6V6 DC coupled 2 stage with stacked supplies - sept 19, 2013. Thanks, -d What is missing is a few more bells and whistles, such a bypass capacitor for the battery and a grid-stopper resistor. In particular, I am concerned with 5687, 6J5, and 2C22 as those are the tubes I have been playing with lately. P. It uses a concertina phase splitter design with 178v at plate number 1 This resistor may have a value of 25,000 ohms and run 10mA through the resistor (reasonable values for a 6SN7 driver). use this as a basic guide line , Yes, the top of the 220kΩ connects to the junction of the coupling capacitor and the 4kΩ grid stopper resistor, the other end connects to ground. I like having the PSU and amp separate so that I trouble shoot them separately. I chose a Hammond In my homebrew guitar amp I’m using a LTPI to drive 2- 6v6 tubes in PP. The only possible downside I can think of is stressing the grid of the CF at start-up and shut-down with rapid response SS power supplies. Cathode res 155 - 160 ohm / 3 pcs 470 0hm-2W in parallel/ with shunt cap 1000 uF/25 v Nichicon. I didn't really fancy trying to use Zener regulators, so I just used simple CLC filters instead. If you experience oscillations, try grid stopper resistors on each grid. The CCS circuit used in the plate loads shown in this SCHEMATIC use I had to re-route EVERYTHING to bring the 12BH7 grids physically closer to the phase splitter output, and run grid stopper resistors directly between the sockets and the bias PCB to get it to quit doing this. If I did so, what size resistor should I use? ••• These resistors, which are commonly called "grid stoppers", are not put on the control grid of the tube for signal level attenuation purposes; rather, they act as a very high frequency low-pass filter in conjunction with the input capacitance of the triode (which is Does the 6SN7 need grid stopper resistors ? Not used this particular valve before so not sure. If you don't want to make more holes for sockets, then a MOSFET source follower. Go smaller on the screen resistors. RE: Grid Stopper Resistors. If you want to use Noval socket/Octal What is an appropriate size grid stopper to be using? I have been using 1K, but looking at other explanations and schematics, it seems this might not be ideal. 9. I sometimes think I’m hearing a bad distortion in addition to the Hence, if you intend to use the 5692 as a drop-in for a 6SN7 in an amp running 6SN7 voltages and currents, be prepared to have your 5692 last no longer than a normal 6SN7 at best. You can also parallel sections or tubes per se. Also, notice that there are no grid-stoppers. I had some similar problems in circuits with 6SN7 and several 12a7 types where the filament was significantly more negative than the cathode - the symptoms were singing, and severe microphonics. The 6SN7 is a medium mu and the 12AT7 is a high mu dual triode . A value of 100k to 1Meg is usually necessary. Also, the 6SN7 is not highly prone to parasitic oscillation. Based on that thread, and a lengthy one-on-one discussion with another member, we did try it on paper with two 6SN7s with the halves of each one in parallel, just to see what might happen. The important thing is that the grid stoppers connect right to the tube socket If it's possible without interstage transformer and 6SN7 input Search Search titles only Use RF precautions around the 6C45 (grid stoppers, RF beads). I do not see the 6SN7 and 6N1P as being very equivalent. This is for Triode strapping the output tube (normally I run in UL, but it's nice to have the ability to switch to Triode & Pentode connections). This allows the 6SN7 to be placed underneath the 45 triode, and steal some of the 45's cathode current (see the crude schematic attached). Status Not open for further replies. i've read various discussions in AA saying grid stoppers must be carbon comps. For example, switching from cheap iron to I would only add grid stopper to the input tube. 5mA from the input tube is enough to avoid slew rate limitation, especially since 6SN7 can output more than 3. I like to use 10k-22k grid stoppers to mitigate for oscillation, on 12AX7 gain stages. For starters, tack in parallel 220K resistors, to give you 110K. Joined 2007 myweb. Value not critical, but typically 1-10K for output valves or a bit higher for small signal valves. With 6DJ8 CFs you Only $12. Any value from 1k to 10k is fine, and even larger values won't hurt since the The grid to ground resistance of 270 KOhms is too large. And the 6DJ8 / 6922 are not very equivalent to the 6N1P. I see grid stoppers in power amp output stages and limiter output stages (also power amps). This is a reasonable solution The 6SN7 does not need grid stoppers. No doubling is necessary!. TCJ My-Stock DB helps you to Another sore spot was the lack of a grid-stopper resistor for the 6AS7 and a wimpy 33-ohm grid-stopper for the 6SN7. A great tube-based amplifier for phono and line sources, featuring a very subtle bass enhancement control using negative feedback to enhance only selected frequencies, below 400Hz. From what I have read the Red Base GE 6SN7 is the tube to get. 3) Step up the grid stoppers I just replaced some 2W carbon composition resistors I'd been using as plate loads on a 6SN7. Since you're chassis is limited to an octal triode with twin triodes, consider loading each half of a 6SN7 with a Hammond 156C. When the wipers approach the bottom of the pot noise can or even a pop can result sometimes I have found that might have been though with my first buffered preamp as the grid was so elevated from ground and perhaps not an issue here but still they can promote stability. I can't see a need for grid stoppers on the 6SN7’s – during extensive testing I have not seen the slightest signs of instability without them. Tubes are cooler and you can see them better. The current is 10mADC plus 0 While searching I found thread that mentioned the importance of G2 grid stoppers for stability while running in UL. so far no luck. jpg The Grid Stops on the 6SN7 can be increased. E A small divide exists in the world of tubes: noval and octals. You did not comment if the preamp passes signal properly. Mona Attachments 34PP. Add a 470K grid leak from the grid to ground. If you want to get more Try the grid stoppers, if that fixes it, then probably any 6SN7 will work in that socket, with that circuit, wiring, and wire dress. So then the corner frequency is the low frequencies you The I have a Saga and use them as well. Reduce that value to 100 KOhms. and he bought the 6SN7 SRPP kit with power transformers. Neat layout prevents oscillation. So check for grid-current and/or oscillations. I'm thinking a integrated amp using 2A3 and 6SN7 tubes would look stunning but have no idea how it would sound. -so if you apply 2. 4pF plate-to-cathode. With 4:1 ratio for the output transformer, 6c45pi gives around 320 Ohm of output impedance. The rolloff frequency can easily be calculated from the 2-pie RC formula. 1uF across the feedback resistor (circled in red below) and the noise went away. The 6SN7 does not need grid stoppers. Forgive me for the rather simple question, but can anyone point out the grid stopper resistor on this schematic? Look at one of the most linear triodes out there, the 6SN7. Probably you will need some follower/buffer to unburden the driver. 6pF grid-to-cathode, 1. 002u/220K is the same as . The driver stage on the kit schematic used one 6SN7 per channel, with the two triodes in each tube wired in parallel, but they did it without using separate grid stoppers and without New OTL headphone project with 6SN7 and 6AS7 Hi, After two nice builds from PCB boards of Pete Millett I wanted to start a new project, this time with a PCB board by myself. i've seen other articles (mostly diy homepages) using metal films as grid stoppers. So in the case of a 1633 tube (25 volt heater 6SN7, essentially), the datasheet shows plate resistance of 6900 ohms. Although the 6C33C-b marked for 60W plate dissipation, I recommended a plate dissipation 40 W for a full tube ( In Reply to: Re: 6SN7 Line Stage Schematic - Any Good? posted by Salectric on January 18, 2006 at 03:21:32: Dave, I've spent countless hours proving or disproving everything I've learnt or that is accepted practice including the relative merits of different grid Hi All, I have a 6SN7-12B4A PP amp on the breadboard at the moment and I am thinking about committing it to a more permanent form with a second channel (wow, stereo). I would use something like 300 ohm grid stopper on the MOSFET and 1k ohm grid stopper on the 6B4G. Personally I like this one much better with a single 5687 section. I'll firmly state that the 12AU7 is unsatisfactory as a voltage amplifier, because of its non-linearity. Merlinb, Is the pot not acting as a grid stopper? I was thinking of trying a law faked linear pot since I need 250k pot for the phono section I want tontry to use before this. From post 471: In the following circuit, the output is given to the right 6SN7 triode's grid at full strength 110k seems much too high a plate resistor for the 6SN7 gain stage in this circuit. Etc. This is a reasonable solution But with the grid stoppers you basically want to create the low-pass RC filter out of the grid stopper itself and the Miller "capacitor" with What would you change, and why? The reason I ask is a friend build this stage years ago with 6SN7's, and used those jeff I'm sure it will be controversial, namely in the use of a 6SN7 (low plate resistance) in the SRPP and the SRPP load resistor/ power tube grid leak value of 2. I have some GE Black base 6SN7, not as pricey as the red base, but a close Use a higher gm tube. I built it as shown but with the addition of some carbon comp grid stoppers on the 6SJ7 and 6V6s. 8 KB · Views: 1,078 Rob11966 Member Joined 2007 2009 -04-30 4:41 am #5 The resistor between cap and grid is frequently referred to as a grid stopper resistor. smaller grid stopper on 6sn7 (1k CC?) 2. But it is in contradiction to the requirement of a low-impedance driver for AB2 Change the grid stopper resistor to 1K on the 12AY7. Fedup with it thinking to move to cathode follower for preamp Yes it is for linestage. Bear in mind that the input socket switching terminals are usually arranged to Folks, you are forgetting that the 6C4 relates to the 12AU7 the same as the 6J5 relates to the 6SN7. Ucathode = 14-15V. I'm looking to optimize it and am asking Source & Line Analogue Source Analog Line Level Digital Source Digital Line Level PC Based Suppose the 6SN7 grid leak resistor and grid stopper resistor position were swapped. This situation varies greatly depending on power supply characteristics. 95 to keep track of your tube and part collection TCJ My-Stock DB TCJ My-Stock DB helps you know just what you have, what it looks like, where it is, what it will be used for, and what it's worth. We do not "expect" oscillation. Then, readjust coupling caps to the same R/C constant (. I did some research and found "Resistance Coupled Amplifier Charts for commonly audio voltage amplifying tubes" which has a chart for the 6SJ7 in pentode configuration, I'm not even going to attempt to figure The 6SN7 does not need grid stoppers. Fact 3: By the late 1960s, tube manufacturers were relabelling tubes willy-nilly in an attempt to minimise their losses in what was essentially a dying market. With these parameters, an AC model can be built based on a voltage dependent current source. subckt 6SN7WGTk8 P G New Aikido Stereo Octal PCB Aikido Octal Stereo Rev. However it also tames the bias excursions by Grid leak is the resistor from the control grid to ground. However it also tames the bias excursions by taking the excursion time constant from <1mS to 2. When Sarser and Sprinkle introduced the Williamson amplifier to America, they made the good choice to use a 6SN7 in the Americanized version, but failed to adjust the cathode resistor appropriately for the Grid stopper and cathode resistor question 209. I. What do you use to prevent this kind of oscillation? Ferrite I'd like to share my latest project: a single-ended triode amp using the 45 triode. Not uncommon, I built a PP 300B amp like that. They are there to prevent high frequency parasitic oscillations and should be fitted close to the valveholder pin. Suppose the 6SN7 grid stopper is 1 ohm instead of 1k. which will yield a significant load to the driver 6SN7. Just to experiment I just put a 6sl7 in there and let’s just say it wasn’t happy. It works by creating an RC (low-pass) filter with the input capacitance of the first valve. The resistor + the tube internal capacitance will form a filter that keeps out extremely high frequency nonsense. Well, this grid can also be used as an inverting input; and, thus, it can be used as a negative feedback input. Just add a large grid stopper to the cathodyne, to limit the grid current. If the simple small grid stopper is but . this will allow the triode to make a bit more gain, and increase linearity a little bit. The grid stopper resistors are on the Willsenton schematic diagram for the R8, but they didn't actually put the resistors in the amplifiers! Go figure! Anyway I feel Add grid stoppers to the 6SN7. I don't purport to understand the mechanism but it was pretty repeatable and was eliminated when I made sure that the filaments were elevated above the cathode I removed the grid stoppers and adjusted the layout a bit and it sounds better. The stopper resistor and grid capacitance (including miller capacitance) forms a low pass filter, attenuating higher frequencies. On the grid end of the With this 6SN7 model I get 0. I have built a SE EF86/EL84 3W valve amp, very similar to the Mullard 3-3. 7pF plate-to-grid, and 0. 2k, and the CDE motor start can as as coupling cap (the motor cap did however get a good score in the I With the 6SN7 output impedance, the 270kΩ grid leak and the 20kΩ grid stopper, this places the high frequency rolloff at 80kHz. However, the input grid stopper adds the most amount of Johnson noise Does the 6SN7 need grid stopper resistors ? Not used this particular valve before so not sure. TCJ My-Stock DB helps you to 6SL7 for the driver tube would be better than a 6SN7 . co. Joined: February 9, 2002 "What about low gain such as a 6SN7 tube & would a grid stopper No you can’t use the 6SN7 in the place of 12AT7 in anyway , they are totally different . Grid stopper res. Would anyone care to suggest alternatives to the scheme attached before I take that step? Thanks, Michael Aha! Well, if you want grid stoppers to do that, it's just a simple use of the formula f(-3dB) = 1/2piRC, where R is total source resistance (output resistance of driving stage plus grid stopper) and C is total load resistance (grid capacitance plus stray plus Miller 6SN7 version of the Grid VTV line stage B+ supply Two channels draw a total of 20 mA from the supply (as opposed to 8 mA in the Grounded Grid). My first impressions are favorable. Edmund Burke G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. Solder the braided shield to the sleeve lug of the jack. The driver is a choke-loaded 6SN7 that is direct coupled. Why? Why not use two grid-stoppers and larger valued ones? It's not that they cost a fortune. 5k. jpg 83. Sorry is this is not the place for a n00bie post but ••• Got it THANK YOU GUYS! What is the ideal wattage? Thanks! 1/2 watt or 1 watt if you have the room I have plenty of room inside my DIY adapter(no PCB's just wires soldered onto the sockets) so i will be using 1W THANK YOU! Keep the resistors as close to the Been testing a bunch of Vintage EL84's and 7189's lately. Minimalist Discrete Hi All 6sn7 tubes made in 1950's are quite good but they have no more room to play in my system. The signal ground-chassis bond is at the input socket. Is there something particular that exists in HA-2 and would be good for Crack but it is not implemented due to cost or complexity for a kit build ? Is there a reason HA-2 has (I think) grid stoppers in both stages but Crack does not have for 6080 (I guess the It uses a reasonably sized grid stopper to control clipping and bias excursions, a pure restive load, I’ve noticed a lot of the serious tube headphone amp users have moved away from using 6SN7’s and gone with an adapter allowing them to use a pair of 6J5’s 2) Reduce the grid leaks from 220K to something less, as low as 100K. There doesn't A grid stopper is a resistor attached to the grid connection, right at the valveholder with a short lead on the valve side (but as long as you like on the other side). We had been searching online and found this company. they can add instability to your amplifier since no longer are the grid stoppers as close as possible to the pins of the tube. The grid stopper used on the input valve is mainly there to kill or 'stop' any radio-frequency interference picked up by the guitar and cable. Mostly, these are old Maybe a couple grid stoppers, but otherwise it's simple and should work great. The plates are at 350VDC. As the author described, a The main difference between the original 6SN7GT is that the peak positive plate pulse rating was increased from 1200Vdc to 1500Vdc in vertical deflection use, and that the control grid was beefed up for greater reliability in Class C, postive control grid, operation. I put a 0. 4k7 carbon film in series with the grid pin might help. One thought on “ Ken-Rad 6SN7GT Black Glass ” tubemaze on November 5, 2012 at 12:37 am said: I’m not sure who’s briliant idea was it to take something awesome – like Ken-Rad, acquire it, and fu** it up! That's a grid stopper resistor, which is meant to suppress any tendency for oscillation due to wiring inductance from the 6DJ8 grid to elsewhere. The grid stopper plus the grid leak resistor form the total resistance seen by the static level of grid current wanting to flow due to internal grid behaviour. This idea was With the 6SN7 output impedance, the 270kΩ grid leak and the 20kΩ grid stopper, this places the high frequency rolloff at 80kHz. If you want to put a CCS anywhere in the circuit, replace the 27k plate resistors on the 6SN7 with something like a 10M45S CCS or a DN2450 cascode. I'd definitely look at the layout. If you cover the whole range of 6SN7 Mu (u), by varying the current from near zero to So, if using two 6SN7 tubes with the two halves of each in parallel, that would mean individual bias resistors for each half and individual grid stoppers for each half. (Philip) Top andrew Ivimey 8340 The 1k resistor from the volume control pot is an incorrect attempt at providing a grid stopper. I find it rather strange that in an otherwise all "vacuum state" amplifier there are a couple of LED indicators on the LT and HT supplies. Share: I would solder this resistor right to the tube pin that is the grid. 470R would be fine. Grid stop is the serie resistor, usually after the rid leak resistor connected to the control grid. Make that part 510 Ω/Carbon composition. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. The 68k input mixers (when used) are best fitted there also. And, separate from the oscillation problem, some 6SN7 are more linear than others, so you just might prefer the "sound" of tube that was oscillating when there were no grid stoppers. (and basically therefor This resistor may have a value of 25,000 ohms and run 10mA through the resistor (reasonable values for a 6SN7 driver). Resister terminology - grid leak, grid stopper kappclark Nov 9, 2020 Tube Audio 2 Replies 27 Views 3K Nov 15, 2020 kappclark Grid choke for Another sore spot was the lack of a grid-stopper resistor for the 6AS7 and a wimpy 33-ohm grid-stopper for the 6SN7. 320 Ohm When using fixed bias, 300B grid leak resistor R5 will need to be reduced to 50k. 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